David Stockman on Crony Capitalism
Interview by Bill Moyers
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BILL MOYERS:
Welcome. This week were continuing our exploration of Winner-Take-All
Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer and Turned its Back
on the Middle Class. If you missed our first installment, youll
find it at our website, BillMoyers.com.
Now this is
only the second broadcast of our new series, yet weve already
made our choice for the best headline of the month. Here it is:
"Citigroup
Replaces JPMorgan as White House Chief of Staff."
Behind that
headline is a tangled web.
The new chief
of staff is Jack Lew. He used to work for the giant banking conglomerate
Citigroup. His predecessor as chief of staff is Bill Daley, who
used to work at the giant banking conglomerate JPMorgan Chase. Daley
was maestro of the banks global lobbying and the chief liaison
to the White House.
Bill Daley
replaced Obamas first chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, who once
worked for a Wall Street firm where he was paid a reported $18.5
million in less than three years.
The new chief
of staff, Jack Lew, comes from Obamas Office of Management
and Budget, where he replaced Peter Orszag, who now works as vice
chairman for global banking at the giant conglomerate Citigroup.
Still following me?
Its startling
the number of high-ranking Obama officials who have spun through
the revolving door between the White House and the sacred halls
of investment banking.
But remember,
it was Bush and Cheneys cronies in big business who helped
walk us right into the blast furnace of financial meltdown. Then
they rushed to save the banks with taxpayer money.
But of course,
Bush and Cheney arent the only ones to have a soft spot for
financiers. Bankers seem to come and go pretty frequently at the
White House. President Obama may call them "fat cats"
and stir the rabble against them with populist rhetoric when it
serves his purpose, but after the fiscal fiasco, he allowed the
culprits to escape virtually scot-free. And when hes here
in New York, he dines with them frequently and eagerly accepts their
big contributions.
Like his predecessors,
Obamas administration has also provided the banks with billions
of low-cost dollars they used for high-yielding investments to make
big profits.
It's a fact.
The largest banks are actually bigger than they were when he took
office. And earned more in the first two-and-a-half years of his
term than they did during the entire eight years of the Bush administration.
And get this:
President Obamas new best friend, according to The New York
Times, is Robert Wolf. They play golf, basketball, and they talk
economics when Wolf is not raising money for the Presidents
re-election campaign. Now, just who is Robert Wolf? Well, he's top
dog at the U.S. branch of the giant Swiss bank UBS, the very bank
that helped rich Americans evade taxes. Here, Senator Carl Levin
describes some of the tricks used by UBS:
SENATOR
LEVIN: Here, Swiss bankers aided and abetted violations of U.S.
tax law by traveling to this country with client code names, encrypted
computers, counter-surveillance training, and all the rest of it,
to enable U.S. residents to hide assets and money in Swiss accounts.
BILL MOYERS:
Quite a tangled web. One man who has strong views on all these cozy
ties between Wall Street and Washington is David Stockman.
In the 1970s,
he was a young Republican congressman from Michigan and an early
proponent of supply-side economics some call it trickle down.
You know the
theory; if you cut taxes on the wealthy, while cutting government,
the economy will take off, money trickling down and creating millions
of jobs.
It was the
centerpiece of Ronald Reagans 1980 campaign for president.
RONALD REAGAN:
There is enough fat in the government in Washington that if it was
rendered and made into soap, it would wash the world.
BILL MOYERS:
Once in the Oval Office, President Reagan made David Stockman his
budget director.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
When President Reagan gave me this job he pointed to that budget
which is some thousands and thousands of pages long, and he said
go through it from top to bottom with a fine tooth comb and unless
you can find a persuasive demonstration why funds must be spent,
cut those budgets.
BILL MOYERS:
Stockman helped Reagan usher in the largest tax cut in U.S. history,
a cut that mainly favored the rich. But things didnt go exactly
as they planned them. The economy sagged, and in 1982 and 84,
Reagan and Stockman agreed to tax increases.
In 1985 Stockman
left government and wrote a book critical of his own years in power:
The Triumph of Politics: The Inside Story of the Reagan Revolution.
He then took his economic expertise to Wall Street and became an
investment banker. Thirty years later, hes writing a new book,
with the working title The Triumph of Crony Capitalism.
I sat down
with him to talk about how politics and high finance have turned
our economy into a private club for members only.
What do you
mean by crony capitalism?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Crony capitalism is about the aggressive and proactive use of political
resources, lobbying, campaign contributions, influence-peddling
of one type or another to gain something from the governmental process
that wouldn't otherwise be achievable in the market. And as the
time has progressed over the last two or three decades, I think
it's gotten much worse. Money dominates politics.
And as a result,
we have neither capitalism or democracy. We have some kind of
BILL MOYERS:
What do we have?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
We have crony capitalism, which is the worst. It's not a free market.
There isn't risk taking in the sense that if you succeed, you keep
your rewards, if you fail, you accept the consequences. Look what
the bailout was in 2008.
There was clearly
reckless, speculative behavior going on for years on Wall Street.
And then when the consequence finally came, the Treasury stepped
in and the Fed stepped in. Everything was bailed out and the game
was restarted. And I think that was a huge mistake.
BILL MOYERS:
You write, quote, "During a few weeks in September and October
2008, American political democracy was fatally corrupted by a resounding
display of expediency and raw power. Henceforth, the door would
be wide open for the entire legion of Washington's K Street lobbies,
reinforced by the campaign libations prodigiously dispensed by their
affiliated political action committees, to relentlessly plunder
the public purse." That's a pretty strong indictment.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Yeah and, but on the other hand, I think you would have to say it
was fair. When you look at what came out of 2008, the only thing
that came out of 2008 was a stabilization of these giant Wall Street
banks. Nothing came out of 2008 that really helped Main Street.
Nothing came out of 2008 that addressed our fundamental problems,
that we've lost a huge swath of our middle class jobs. Nothing came
out of 2008 that made financial discipline or fiscal discipline
possible.
It was justified
as sort of expediency. We need to do this. We need to stop the contagion.
But it wasn't thought through as to what the long-term implications
of this would be.
BILL MOYERS:
How did you see it playing out?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
I think there was a lot of panic going on in the Treasury Department.
I call it "The Blackberry Panic." They were all looking
at their Blackberries, and could see the price of Goldman Sachs
or Morgan Stanley dropping by the hour. And somehow they thought
that was thermostat telling them that the economy was coming unraveled.
I dont
believe that was right. I think what was going on was simply a huge
correction that was overdue on Wall Street. The big leverage hedge
funds on Wall Street that called themselves investment banks weren't
really investment banks. They were just big trading operations using
30, 40 to one leverage. And it was that that was being corrected.
But they used
the occasion of the Wall Street banking crisis to create the impression
that this was the beginning of a kind of black hole the whole economy
was going to drop into. I think that was wrong.
And it was
that fear that led Congress to do anything they wanted. You know,
the Congress gave them a blank check.
BILL MOYERS:
Not at first, dont you remember, Congress first refused to
approve the bailout, right?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
And then, the stock market dropped 600 points because all of the
speculators on Wall Street all of a sudden began to think, "Hey,
they might let capitalism work. They might let the rules of the
free market function."
BILL MOYERS:
You mean by letting them fail.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Yes.
BILL MOYERS:
If they let them fail?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
I think if they let them fail it wouldn't have spread to the rest
of the economy. There wouldn't have been another version of the
Great Depression. There weren't going to be runs on the bank. We
weren't going to have consumers lined up in St. Louis and Des Moines
and elsewhere worried about their bank. That's why we have deposit
insurance, the FDIC. But it would have been a big lesson to the
speculators that you're not going to be propped up and bailed out,
You're not
going to have the Fed as your friend. You're not going to have the
Treasury with a lifeline. You're going to have to answer to the
marketplace. And until we get that discipline back into our financial
system, the banks are just going to continue to grow, continue to
speculate and find new ways to make easy money at the expense of
the system.
BILL MOYERS:
President Bush, he was still in office then.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Yes.
BILL MOYERS:
He said, I have to suspend the rules of the free market in order
to save the free market.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
You can't save free enterprise by suspending the rules just at the
hour they're needed. The rules are needed when it comes time to
take losses. Gains are easy for people to realize. They're easy
for people to capture. It's the rules of the game are most necessary
when the losses have to occur because mistakes have been made, errors
have been made, speculation has gone too far. The history has always
been and this is why we had Glass-Steagall and a lot of the legislation
in the 1930s.
BILL MOYERS:
Glass-Steagall was the provision
DAVID STOCKMAN:
The division of banks between the commercial banking and investment
banking and insurance and other
BILL MOYERS:
So that you, the banker, could not take my deposits and gamble with
them, right?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
That's exactly right. And we need not only a reinstitution of Glass-Steagall,
but even a more serious limitation on banks. And what I mean by
that is, that if we want to have a way for, you know, average Americans
to save money without taking big risks and not be worried about
the failure of their banking institution, then there can be some
narrow banks who do nothing except take deposits, make long-term
loans or short-term loans of a standard, business variety without
trading anything, without getting into all of these exotic derivative
instruments, without putting huge leverage on their balance sheet.
And we need
to say simply, that if you're a bank and you want to have deposit
insurance, which ultimately, you know, is backed up by the taxpayer
if you're a bank and you want to have access to the so-called
"discount window" of the Fed, the emergency lending, then
you can't be in trading at all.
Now, on the
other hand, if they want to be a hedge fund, then theyve got
to raise risk capital and they have to take the consequences of
their risks, both to the good side and the bad side. And until we
really approach that issue, and dismantle these giant, multi-trillion
dollar balance sheet banks, and separate retail and deposit insured
banking from just financial companies, we're going to have recurring
bouts of what we had in 2008.
And they haven't
even begun to address that, and it's so disappointing to see that
the Obama administration, which in theory should've had more perspective
on this than a Republican administration under Bush, to see that
one, they appointed in the key positions the same people who brought
the problem in: Geithner and Summers and all of those, and secondly,
that Obama did nothing about it.
It could have
easily they could have begun to dismantle a couple of these lame
duck institutions, Citibank would have been a good place to start.
But they did nothing. They passed Dodd-Frank, which said, now we're
going to have everybody write regulations tens of thousands of
pages that you know, it was a full employment act for accountants
and lawyers and consultants and lobbyists. But they didn't go to
the heart of the problem. If they're too big to fail, they're too
big to exist. And let's start right with that proposition.
BILL MOYERS:
You've described what other people have called the financialization
of the American economy, the growth in the size and the power of
the financial industry. What does that term mean to you, financialization?
And why should we care that it's happened?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Because what it means is that a massive amount of resources are
being devoted, being allocated or being channeled into pure financial
speculation that has no gain to society as a whole, has no real
economic contribution to the process by which GNP is created, GDP
is created and growth occurs.
By 2007 40
percent of all the profits in the American economy were coming from
finance companies. 40 percent. Historically it was 15 percent.
So the financialization
means that as we attracted more and more resources and capital,
and we made speculation easier and easier, and we funded it with
almost free overnight money, managed and manipulated by the Fed,
that's how the economy got financialized. But that is a casino.
Casinos they're, you know, places for people to go if they want
to speculate and wager. But they're not part of a healthy, constructive
economy.
BILL MOYERS:
What do you mean by the free money that banks are using overnight?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Well, by that we mean when the Fed, the Federal Reserve sets the
so-called federal funds rate at ten basis points, where it is today,
that more or less guarantees banks can go into the Fed window, the
discount window, and borrow at ten basis points.
And then you
take that money and you buy a government bond that is yielding two
percent or three percent. Or buy some corporate bonds that are yielding
five percent. Or if you want to really get aggressive, buy some
Australian dollars that have been going up. Or buy some cotton futures.
And this is really what has been going on in our markets.
The cheap funding,
which is guaranteed by the Fed, the investment of that cheap funding
into speculative assets and then pocketing the spread. And you can
make huge amounts of money as long as the music doesn't stop. And
when the music stops then all of a sudden, the cheap, overnight
money dries up. This is what's happening in Europe today. This is
what happened in 2008.
And then people
are stuck with all these risky assets, and they can't fund them.
They owe cash to the people they borrowed overnight from or on a
weekly basis. That's what creates the so-called contagion. That's
what creates the downward spiral. Now, unless we let those burn
out, it'll be done over and over. In other words, if, you know,
if a lesson isn't learned, then the error will be repeated over
and over.
BILL MOYERS:
Stockman says the modern bailout culture took off under President
Bill Clinton. It was engineered with the help of Federal Reserve
Chairman Alan Greenspan and top economic advisors at the Treasury,
Larry Summers and Robert Rubin.
BILL CLINTON:
The American people either didnt agree or didnt understand
what in the world Im up to in Mexico.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
I think it started with the bailout of the banks in 1994 during
the Mexican Peso Crisis.
REPORTER:
For investors it was a sight for sore eyes. Mexicos stock
market actually soaring instead of plummeting for the first time
in weeks. All this, an immediate reaction to news of a major international
aid package nearly half of it from Washington.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
That was allegedly designed to help Mexico. It was $20 billion with
no approval from Congress that was used, I think inappropriately
out of a Treasury fund. And why were we doing this? It's because
the big banks were too exposed to some bad loans that they had written
in Mexico and elsewhere.
BILL MOYERS:
Wall Street banks. U.S. banks.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Wall Street banks. Wall Street banks. The banks of the day, Citibank,
Bankers Trust, the others that existed at that time. And so the
idea got started that Washington would be there with a prop, with
a bailout, with a helping hand. And then the balls start rolling
down the hill.
DAN RATHER:
The Federal Reserve Bank of New York has taken highly unusual action
to head off what could have been a severe blow to world economies.
BILL MOYERS:
When the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management blew up in 1998,
it was big news.
REPORTER:
Dan, the Long Term Capital fund lost billions in the recent
market turmoil and last night, stood on the brink of collapse.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Long Term Capital was an economic train wreck waiting to happen.
It was leveraged 100 to one. It was in every kind of speculative
investment known to man. In Russian equities, in Thailand bonds,
and everything in between. And it was enabled by Wall Street.
REPORTER:
An emergency meeting was organized by the Federal Reserve last night,
here at its New York office. At the table, more than a dozen of
Wall Streets biggest bankers and brokers including David Komansky,
Chairman of Merrill Lynch, Sandy Weill of Travelers and Sandy Warner
of JP Morgan. One by one the firms each agreed to kick in more than
$250 million to bail out Long Term Capital before its troubles sent
shockwaves through the banking system.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Why did the Fed step in, organize all the Wall Street banks, and
kind of sponsor this bailout? Because all of the Wall Street banks
that enabled Long Term Capital to grow to this giant size, to have
100 to one leverage, by loaning them money. So when the Treasury
and the Fed stepped in and bailed out, effectively, Long Term Capital
and their lenders, their enablers, it was another big sign that
the rules of the game had changed and that institutions were becoming
too big to fail.
Fast forward.
We go through one percent interest rates at the Fed in the early
2000s, we go through the housing bubble and collapse.
BILL MOYERS:
Following the 2008 economic meltdown came the mother of all bailouts.
GEORGE W. BUSH:
Good morning. Secretary Paulson, Chairman Bernanke and Chairman
Cox have briefed leaders on Capitol Hill on the urgent need for
Congress to pass legislation approving the Federal governments
purchase of illiquid assets such as troubled mortgages from banks
and other financial institutions.
BILL MOYERS:
The Bush administration came to the rescue of some of the countys
largest financial institutions, to the tune of 700 billion tax-payer
dollars.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
We elect a new government because the public said, you know, "We're
scared. We want a change." And who did we get? We got Larry
Summers. We got the same guy who had been one of the original architects
of the policy in the 1990s, the financialization policy, the too
big to fail policy.
Who else did
we get? We got Geithner as Secretary of the Treasury. He had been
at the Fed in New York in October 2008 bailing out everybody in
sight. General Electric got bailed out. Morgan Stanley, Goldman
Sachs, all of the banks got bailed out, and the architect of that
bailout then becomes the Secretary of the Treasury. So it's another
signal to the financial markets that nothing ever changes. The cronies
of capitalism are in charge of policy.
BILL MOYERS:
You name names in your writing. You identify several people as the
embodiment of crony capitalism. Tell me about Jeffrey Immelt.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
He is the poster boy for crony capitalism. Here is GE, one of the
six triple-A companies left in the United Sates, a massive, half-trillion
dollar company, massive market capitalization. I'm talking about
the eve of the crisis now, in September, 2008.
Suddenly, when
the commercial paper market starts to destabilize and short-term
rates went up. He calls up the Treasury secretary with an S.O.S.,
"I'm in trouble here. I need a lifeline." He had recklessly
funded a lot of assets at General Electric Capital in the overnight
commercial paper market. And suddenly needed a bailout from the
Treasury. Within days, that bailout was granted.
And therefore,
General Electric was able to avoid the consequence of its foolish
lend long and borrow short policy. What they should have been required
to do when the commercial paper market dried up that was the
excuse. They should've been required to offer equity, sell stock
at a highly discounted rate, dilute their shareholders, and raise
the cash they need to pay off their commercial paper.
That would've
been the capitalist way. That would've been the free market way
of doing things. And in the future they would've been less likely
to go back into this speculative mode of borrowing short and lending
long. But when we get to the point where the one triple-A, a multi-hundred
billion dollar company gets to call up the secretary, issue the
S.O.S. sign and get $60 billion worth of guaranteed Federal Reserve
and Treasury backup lines, then we are, you know, our system has
been totally transformed. It is not a free market system. It is
a system run by powerful, political and corporate forces.
BARACK OBAMA:
Thank you. Thank you.
BILL MOYERS:
So when you saw that President Obama had appointed Jeffrey Immelt,
as the head of his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, what went
through your mind?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Well, I was in the middle of being very disgusted with what my own
Republican Party had done and what Bush had done and the Paulson
Treasury. And then when I saw this, I got the title for my book,
The Triumph of Crony Capitalism.
BARACK OBAMA:
And I am so proud and pleased that Jeff has agreed to chair this
panel, my Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, because we think
GE has something to teach businesses all across America.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
If you have a former community organizer who was trained in the
Saul Alinsky school of direct democracy, appointing the worst abuser,
the worst abuser of crony capitalism, GE, who came in and begged
for this bailout, to head his Jobs Council, when obviously GE's
international corporation, they've been shifting jobs offshore for
decades, then it becomes so obvious that we have a new kind of system,
and that we have a real crisis.
BILL MOYERS:
Where is the shame? Shouldn't these people have been at least a
little ashamed of running the economy and the financial system into
the ditch and then saying, "Come lift me out?"
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Yes. You know, I think that's part of the problem. I started on
Capitol Hill in 1970s. And as I can vividly recall, corporate leaders
then at least were consistent. They might've complained about big
government, or they might've complained about the tax system.
But there wasn't
an entitlement expectation that if financial turmoil or upheaval
came along, that the Treasury, or the Federal Reserve, or the FDIC
or someone would be there to back them up. That would've been considered,
you know, it would've been considered, as you say, shameful. And
somehow, over the last 30 years, the corporate leadership of America
has gotten so addicted to their stock price by the hour, by the
day, by the week, that they're willing to support anything that
might keep the game going and help the system in the short run avoid
a hit to their stock price and to the value of their options. That's
the real problem today. And as a result, there is no real political
doctrine ideology left in the corporate community. They are simply
pragmatists who will take anything they can find, and run with it.
BILL MOYERS:
So this is what you mean, when you say free markets are not free.
They've been bought and paid for by large financial institutions.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Right. I don't think it's entirely a corruption of human nature.
People have always been inconsistent and greedy.
But I think
it's been the evolution of the political culture in which there
have been so many bailouts, there has been so much abuse and misuse
of government power for private ends and private gains, that now
we have an entitled class in this country that is far worse than
you know, remember the welfare queens that Ronald Reagan used to
talk about?
We now have
an entitled class of Wall Street financiers and of corporate CEOs
who believe the government is there to do what is ever necessary
if it involves tax relief, tax incentives, tax cuts, loan guarantees,
Federal Reserve market intervention and stabilization. Whatever
it takes in order to keep the game going and their stock price moving
upward. That's where they are.
BILL MOYERS:
You were disaffected with the party of your youth, the Republican
Party, because it has because its become dogmatic on so
many of these issues and no longer listens to evidence and facts.
Im disaffected with the party of my youth because that Democratic
Party served the interest of the working people in this country
like Ruby and Henry Moyers. And so many people feel the same way.
How do we overcome this pessimism about the American future? The
Wall Street Journal had a headline on an op-ed piece that
said, "The End of American Optimism." A recent survey
said only 15 percent of the people were satisfied about the direction
of the American people. I mean, this is a serious situation, is
it not?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
I think it is. And but we also have to recognize the pessimism
that the public reflects in the surveys and polls is warranted.
In other words the public isn't being unduly pessimistic. It's not
been overcome with some kind of a false wave of emotion. No. I think
the American public sees very clearly the current system isn't working,
that the Federal Reserve is basically working on behalf of Wall
Street, not Main Street.
The Congress
is owned lock, stock and barrel by one after another, after another
special interest. And they logically say how can we expect, you
know, anything good to come out of this kind of process that seems
to be getting worse. So how do we turn that around? I think it's
going to take, unfortunately a real crisis before maybe the decks
can be cleared.
BILL MOYERS:
What would that look like?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
It will take something even more traumatic than we had in September
2008.
BILL MOYERS:
But on the basis of the record, the lessons of the past. The experience
you have just recounted and are writing about. Do you see any early
signs that we might turn the ship from the iceberg?
DAVID STOCKMAN:
No. I think we've learned no lessons. We really have not restructured
our financial system. The big banks that existed then that were
too big to fail are even bigger now. The top six banks then had
seven trillion of assets, now they have nine or ten trillion.
Rather than
go to the fundamentals which have been totally neglected we've
simply kind of papered over the current system and continued the
game of having the Federal Reserve and the Treasury if necessary
prop up all of this leverage and speculation, which isn't helping
the economy.
And when we
talk about zero interest rates. Thats not helping Main Street.
Our problem in this economy is not our interest rates are too high.
The zero interest rates are just more fuel for leverage speculation
for whats called the carry trade and that is causing windfall
benefits to the few but its leaving the fundamental problems
of our economy in worse shape than theyve ever been.
BILL MOYERS:
No one I know has a better understanding of the see-saw tension
in our history between democracy and capitalism.
Capitalism,
you accumulate wealth and make it available. Democracy being a brake,
B-R-A-K-E, on the unbridled greed of capitalists. It seems to me
that democracy has lost and that capitalism is triumphant crony
capitalism in this case.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
And I think it's important to put the word crony capitalism on there.
Because free-market capitalism is a different thing. True free-market
capitalists never go to Washington with their hand out. True free-market
capitalists running a bank do not expect that every time they make
a foolish mistake or they get themselves too leveraged or they end
up with too many risky assets that don't work out, they don't expect
to go to the Federal Reserve and get some cheap or free money and
go on as before.
They expect
consequences, maybe even failure of their firm, certainly loss of
their bonuses, maybe the loss of their jobs. So we don't have free-market
capitalism left in this country anymore. We have everyone believing
that if they can hire the right lobbyist, raise enough political
action committee money, spend enough time prowling the halls of
the Senate and the House and the office buildings, arguing for their
parochial narrow interest that that is the way that will work
out. And that is crony capitalism. Its very dangerous and
it seems to be becoming more embedded in our system.
BILL MOYERS:
So many people say, We've got to get money out of politics.
Or as you said, Money dominates government today.
DAVID STOCKMAN:
Well look, I think the financial industry, over the two or three
year run up to 2010 spent something like $600 million. Just the
financial industry, the banks, the Wall Street houses and some hedge
funds and others. Insurance companies. $600 million in campaign
contributions or lobbying.
That is so
disproportionate, because the average American today is struggling
to make ends meet. Probably working extra hours in order, just to
keep up with the cost of living, which is being driven up unfortunately
by the Fed.
They don't
have time to weigh into the political equation against the daily,
hourly lobbying and pressuring and you know, influencing of the
process. So it's asymmetrical. And how do we solve that? I think
we can only solve it by and it'll take a constitutional amendment,
so I don't say this lightly. But I think we have eliminate all contributions
above $100 and get corporations out of politics entirely.
Ban corporations
from campaign contributions or attempting to influence elections.
Now, I know that runs into current free speech. So the only way
around it is a constitutional amendment to cleanse our political
system on a one-time basis from this enormously corrupting influence
that has built up. And I think nothing is really going to change
until we get money out of politics and do some radical things to
change the way elections are financed and the way the process is
influenced by organized money. If we dont address that, then
crony capitalism is here for the duration.
BILL MOYERS:
David Stockman, thank you very much for sharing this time with us.
Reprinted
from BillMoyers.com with permission
from David Stockman.
January
23, 2012
Former
Congressman David A. Stockman was Reagan's OMB director, which he
wrote about in his best-selling book, The
Triumph of Politics. He was an original partner in the Blackstone
Group, and reads LRC the first thing every morning.
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