Switzerland and the European Secessionist Movement
Wile interviews Ron Holland
by Ron Holland: Secession
Fever Sweeping Europe Meaningless Without Debt Repudiation
Ron Holland is the author of three books, numerous special reports
and hundreds of articles on investment and political topics, many
of which focus on the interplay between politics and the investment
markets. Selections of his essays can be found in the archives of
LewRockwell.com and TheDailyBell.com.
Let's jump right in. Give us some feedback on these monetary easings
and the US dollar. Harmful? Helpful? Please put it in context.
Cutting rates, monetary stimulation and creating more fiat money
seems to be the only option left to the central banking cartel in
Europe and America. For the US, this creates a higher stock market
thus making citizens feel more prosperous and less destitute than
they really are. This always occurs during a presidential election
campaign as the party in power and the president up for re-election
need a positive - or in this case an improving - economy to increase
their chances of winning the election. Both parties have done this
for the last 40 years or so; nothing unusual here.
I really don't
view monetary easing as particularly harmful as it only postpones
the inevitable for a little while longer, like moving up the angle
of the Titanic as it was sinking from the bow with the stern higher
up in the air. You stay dry for a few minutes longer but in the
end, you still drown. Today politicians and central bankers are
sort of like some crews on recent sinking cruise ships. They are
using their time to steal the passenger lifeboats and safely get
away while leaving the passengers to swim to shore or drown.
Also, the European
Central Bank (ECB) and banking elite efforts to postpone their day
of reckoning in Europe and New York is actually somewhat helpful
to American citizens and investors. The investor risk in Europe
is actually propelling funds into the American stock and bond markets
as well as the dollar buying us a little extra time before the crisis
crosses the Atlantic. In addition, the EU problems are helping the
dollar in the near term on a relative basis to be stronger than
it would be otherwise.
You felt the system of control itself was not working so well anymore
last time we interviewed you. Can you elaborate?
Today, in the middle of the Internet Reformation where truth and
alternative views are available to all who are interested in doing
their research, is a scary time to be in the power elite. Someday
soon, the people will have had enough of the propaganda, lies and
misinformation distributed to cover up the truth about all the theft,
political and market manipulation and wars coordinated and waged
by those with goals different from the working, productive citizens
of most countries. The price and negative consequences for their
actions could be high.
Are people waking up?
Yes. To a degree people are waking up both in the United States,
primarily because of the previous Ron Paul campaign, and in Europe,
due to the EU sovereign debt and forced austerity crisis. Still,
most Americans continue to have their heads in the sand but this
is to be expected.
Where do you think this is all headed? Are people abandoning their
Since almost everything people know about the world is an illusion,
it is asking a lot for the average person to wake up and discover
they live in a "Matrix" type of daily existence. Your
question makes me think of the cartoon with two sheep out of the
entire herd talking with each other while the shepherd and sheep
dog are watching from a distance. One sheep says, "Sometimes
I get the feeling we are being manipulated." The other sheep
responds, "You are so paranoid. Who would ever think such a
thing?" This is the view of maybe 85 percent of the world.
But that percentage is thankfully decreasing at a dramatic rate
thanks to the Internet Reformation.
The serfs of
the world (all of us but the elites) have been lied to about most
religions, current events, economics, history and even ancient history.
This includes all current and former government structures ranging
from tribal chieftains, theocracies, monarchies and the divine right
of kings and representative republics to democracy and mob rule,
communism, fascism and the regulatory and debt democracy most Western
nations suffer under today.
Are we going to see Europe's social discontent happening here?
Yes. As in Europe, the social discontent here will come from higher
taxes, reduced benefits and extreme austerity measures designed
to steal our savings, government and private retirement benefits
and our remaining gold and wealth. Of course, none of this will
likely begin until after the January inauguration.
I don't think we've seen even the real beginning of social or political
discontent in Europe. I believe it will directly impact the PIIGS
as well as wealthy Germany far more than what we've seen so far.
Eventually, the German people will get tired of bailing out German,
French and Anglo-American banking interests and other European nations
and say, "Enough is enough." This is when the sh*t will
hit the fan. I think Germany may exit the EU far earlier than some
other countries in southern Europe.
by not foolishly joining the EU or the euro, will be the only nation
in Europe to likely escape the turmoil. Of course, Switzerland didn't
join because, with their confederation direct democracy style of
government, the voters wouldn't allow their politicians to join.
I would like to add about Switzerland: First, they have the best
government structure designed to meet the needs for our new 21st
century environment, which should be copied by nations around the
world. Second, although I believe Switzerland will certainly escape
the internal strife that will get far worse across Europe, they
have their own unique risks from criminal gangs as the economy worsens
in neighboring countries.
reports show Switzerland expanding its number of military police
units in case the coming EU collapse threatens their national borders.
A close look at European history would suggest this threat should
be the least of their concerns.
of security and safety in a collapsing Europe has approximately
7,000 tons of gold stored both privately and as government reserves.
This is approximately 8 percent of the 85,000 tons of gold in the
world held as bars and coins; the other 50 percent is mainly jewelry.
Add to this the trillions in financial wealth held in and managed
from Switzerland and you have a very tempting target for public
criminal gangs (governments, central banks and politicians) to want
to get their hands on.
I'm not saying
Germany, Italy, France or the United States and UK will threaten
or actually invade Switzerland, I'm just saying desperate political
leaders and financial elites in times of economic crisis have done
this hundreds of times over the last couple of centuries.
is a list of Major Wars & Conflicts Just In the 20th Century.
You might notice how many times Switzerland's neighbors and the
United States have been involved in these conflicts while Switzerland
has remained armed but at peace. Still, 8 percent of the non-jewelry
gold in the world would be a tempting target and most threats of
aggression by nations have been for far less.
It's just something
to consider. I hope Switzerland decides not just to increase military
police battalions but also to modernize and increase its defensive
military capability. I have a fictional essay coming out in a few
weeks about how such a military aggression, although unlikely, could
happen in the future.
What's your take on China these days and the slowdown? Central bankers
have been trying to manage China's "soft landing." Do
central bankers ever get it right?
Frankly, I'm impressed with the government and private sector in
China. They might well be able to manage a "soft landing."
Their economic miracle, even with likely fabricated economic statistics
just like the United States, is really something to behold and this
says a lot for the work ethic and solidarity of the Chinese people.
Yes. I think
central bankers usually get it right. Remember, the central banking
franchise is the ultimate money-making and power-building structure
in the history of the world. They usually get it right for the powerful
economic and financial interests behind central banking; the reason
their efforts always appear to be a failure is because what is best
for elite profit and expansion is seldom what is best for a nation,
national economy or its average citizens. This is where the difference
between perception and reality of the situation comes from. After
all, how could any group with the singular monopoly right to create
money out of thin air really make a mistake?
I believe China
will get it right economically and the China Central Bank will do
the right thing because their bank, almost but not quite uniquely
in the world, just may serve the interests of China first rather
than the central banking cartel. Time will tell whether I'm right
As the world is an increasingly miserable place, wars seem to be
heating up. Coincidence?
First, wars are necessary in order to create the climate of hardship
and fear necessary for governments to take the strong actions against
their citizens required to hold on to power and authority. Second,
all wars are economic in nature and the future dividing line between
a resurgent China and a defensive Anglo-American alliance is the
Middle East with their oil resources. Add in Israel, which to the
Arabs is a modern-day European style crusader-like state in the
Middle East, and you have all the ingredients for a massive conflict
and even a miniature third world war starting in the region.
Give us your take on Middle Eastern "youth rebellions."
The real thing?
We probably disagree somewhat here. I believe many of the "youth
rebellions" have been made up of disaffected youth wanting
a better life for their generation and the Internet has helped to
spawn this movement. On the other hand, there is no question that
many of the rebellions like Syria today have been manufactured to
a degree by Anglo-American intelligence efforts. Finally, the real
near-term winners in these rebellions have been Islamic extremists,
although I agree with the Daily Bell that this might have been the
intent of Western interests all along.
China has made
great headway in the Middle East and Africa versus the West and
maybe the Western power elite need the conflict and possible transition
to major war in the region in order to position military forces
necessary to counter Chinese expansion.
On the contrary,
I believe American security interests and the control of Islamic
militants would be better served by withdrawing from the nations
we occupy, curtail our drone attacks and leave the Middle East to
the Muslims who inhabit the region. The US needs a reverse Monroe
Doctrine for the region. Israel is strong enough militarily to protect
What about Iran? Is war going to happen?
Yes, Israel and the United States will launch a "politically
acceptable in the West" targeted strike against Iranian nuclear
facilities, military command and control centers, naval and air
defense targets. Of course, Iran will respond as it should and from
this point I don't have a clue about the future.
My guess is
the corresponding military actions and nations and people pulled
into the conflict will expand but to what degree I haven't a guess.
It is a scary situation and bad environment to have American troops
involved. After all, military control is not necessary for oil imports,
as most oil is sold on the market and any nation can purchase it.
What are the economic ramifications? Inflation?
Yes, I believe the major ramifications of a Middle East war starting
with Israel and Iran - expanding, of course, to the US and other
nations in the region - will be of an economic nature to the West.
Oil will likely skyrocket in price, gold will boom and the fragile
US and European economies will tank. I'm not sure whether the result
will be deflation or inflation but, like the German inflation, it
will probably be the worst of both. America has no reason to attack
Iran but we will certainly pay the economic price for getting involved.
But then again, maybe this is why we will be attacking another nation
in the Middle East, as our troops serve as cannon fodder for other
Where do gold and silver go?
Short term, I haven't a clue but over a longer period, and quickly
if war breaks out in the region, I would bet on far higher prices
for gold, silver and oil.
Where do you keep your physical purchases? You mentioned Global
Gold last time.
It is no one's business where I might keep my physical gold purchases
either in North America or elsewhere should I have any, though I
will comment generally. I like Global Gold as well as other secure
facilities outside of my home country, although citizens of all
nations should keep some gold and silver stored privately close
by, in or near their home. The last place I would store anything
of value is in a bank safe deposit box in the US. Second, no gold
owners should ever publically state where they keep their gold or
What do you hold? Paper metals? Physicals? ETFs?
I will only comment here that I do hold a major grudge against those
who have destroyed our republic and are now working to create a
war and a crisis situation so they can steal the rest of our wealth
and liberties. Although I prefer physical metals for crisis diversification
purposes, some advisors are offering some excellent gold-trading
strategies and I believe this product mix can provide an opportunity
for investment profits. Also, I must say that I have concerns about
paper metals and ETFs as to whether the gold will be there should
a major financial crisis develop. No one knows the extent of the
fake tungsten gold bar problems and this is a scary situation. When
in doubt, ask for the real thing and have it essayed.
What about tax ramifications?
Everything Americans do in the world is taxed so I seldom concern
myself about tax ramifications. If there is a tax benefit to do
something, then you can bet your last dollar the benefit will be
gone when you liquidate your hard assets.
What's your take on South America generally?
Most South American countries seldom go to war and in the event
of a nuclear confrontation they will likely be outside of major
radiation areas so I love the region as a place for a safe haven
location. Second, I love the culture, the coffee and the people,
as well as the climate in some areas.
Yes, many of
the nations in South America have corrupt governments but so do
most other nations in the world, including the United States. Personally,
I've found corruption in government employees there who need extra
money to make ends meet but compared to the massive police state
apparatus now being constructed across the West, government is almost
inconsequential in the lives of most citizens and expats who live
there. This is a welcome change from the 1984 lifestyle most Americans
and UK citizens are now forced to deal with.
What about Argentina and its confiscations?
Again, while I like Argentina as a country and vacation destination,
it is turning back into a populist, Peronist style government very
similar to the fascism and National Socialism of the 1930s without
the German organization and industrialism. Today, I would only suggest
investing there if you want to have a 1930s wealth confiscation
experience sooner rather than later when the US goes this route.
Where do you stand on Colombia?
As I've written in several editorials, I really like the nation
of Colombia, both as a safe haven jurisdiction and for a second
home location. High in the mountains around Medellin real estate
is inexpensive, no heat or air conditioning is required because
of the perfect weather and, most important, there are no bugs so
no screens in the windows. Add in the beautiful women, fantastic
restaurants and culture and the place is almost unbeatable for North
and South America.
My wife, Tami,
and I enjoyed a great trip to Colombia a few weeks ago. We may well
consider an exciting new real estate opportunity there and become
involved in a unique high mountain resort designed only for successful,
freedom-oriented individuals from around the world.
Think of an
accessible Galt's Gulch, only minutes from an international airport,
world-class cardiac heart facility and private school together with
nearby world-class city amenities where likeminded producers and
entrepreneurs can relax, network and enjoy privacy and sophistication
in their own private community. More information on this will be
forthcoming soon in another editorial.
Let's jump back to Europe. Will the euro survive?
I want the euro to compete with other public and private currency
alternatives and let the market decide what currencies succeed and
fail. I believe it probably will survive as a hard currency used
by Germany, the Nordic countries and maybe Austria and others.
European Central Bank and EU politicians have about bastardized
it as bad as the American dollar. There is nothing inherently wrong
with more than one nation using a single currency; the problem is
only the fiat nature of a currency when currency creation is not
restricted or backed in some manner by gold, oil or natural resources.
How about the EU?
I hope the EU fails and soon. It is an authoritarian, non-elected,
centralized power creation of powerful Anglo-American interests
who are using it to control Europe just like the American Union
now controls what were "these United States" prior to
Lincoln's War and invasion of the newly independent Southern States.
it. Who would have thought the first American government, the Articles
of Confederation born during the American Revolution in 1777, would
have been overthrown by 1789 and replaced by the Constitution? Second,
who would have dared to guess that only 72 years later the Washington
federal government would invade and wage war on a region in which
the individual states had joined what they believed to be a voluntary
union of individual republics? The death toll for this conflict
was in excess of 600,000 at a time when the total US population
was slightly over 30 million people.
line is most initial voluntary unions held together by force or
coercion eventually turn into tyrannies and the result is war when
formerly independent nations or jurisdictions want to withdraw.
It is for this reason I hope the death of the EU happens sooner
rather than later.
Who's going to be the next US president?
Finally, I get an easy question. It will either be Romney or Obama,
as no third party candidate has a chance in our two-party monopoly
believe Romney would be a far better president on all issues other
than foreign policy, due to his neocon handlers, although this is
no credit to Romney personally. I still consider him a total empty
suit when it comes to conservative, libertarian and free-market
principles. In the final analysis, Romney could be a great president
precisely because he is Mormon and loves his conservative and free-market
oriented Church. If elected, he will be the first Mormon president
and to govern from the socialist left would embarrass his Church
and he will not do this. I have an editorial draft ready for publication
after the election, titled "Thank God Romney Is Mormon,"
should he win.
is too close to call but my counterintuitive view is the liberty
movement will suffer should Romney win and expand if Obama is re-elected.
Like during Ronald Reagan's term, those who oppose big government
and advocate liberty will surely let their guard down if the GOP
candidate wins, and likewise increase their opposition if Barack
Obama is re-elected. The system is set up this way so the march
toward more powerful government continues regardless of who wins.
What happened to Ron Paul?
Ron Paul's campaign was infiltrated and undermined from within and
outside by the GOP operatives and the Republican establishment.
Nothing new here but still, the educational and philosophical success
of his presidential campaign dwarfs the feeble efforts of all freedom
organizations and think tanks located near or in Washington, DC,
which all too often seek acceptance and legitimacy with the Washington
insider elites rather than standing for philosophical principles.
Will he continue to speak out?
Yes. Ron Paul will continue to fight for our liberties until he
is free at last from those who rule over us. I fear this will come
from his passing rather than some quick revolution or change of
mind by the American electorate.
Is the global slump going to cause more money printing generally?
Of course. Money printing will continue until hyperinflation and
the collapse of all fiat currencies and sovereign debt take place
in the West. Then most governments will repudiate their sovereign
debts after austerity measures, tax increases and gold confiscation
have fleeced the wealth and savings from most citizens - outside
of Switzerland and a very few other countries.
Is it going to be a proverbial race to the bottom?
Yes and when the race to the bottom begins in earnest, you can forget
the gradualist approach taken by politicians and governments to
date. This will happen suddenly and, as I stated earlier, America
can and will be locked down with a financial iron curtain almost
overnight, probably by presidential executive order.
Are we going to end up with a world currency or a world war?
Both but the world war has to come first and it could begin with
the Israeli attack against Iran, in the Middle East. Like the manufactured
world war horror and destruction created first the League of Nations
and later the United Nations following the Second World War, this
is the time when the directed answer from the power elites will
be a new world currency backed by gold, oil, etc. This is why I
believe the confiscation of gold and numismatics, for instance,
is so likely in the future across the West and especially America.
That's also why Switzerland, the only citizen-controlled government
to a degree left in the world today, has so much to fear from other
Give us your best-case prognosis - an optimistic one.
My best-case prognosis is simply more of the same that we have dealt
with over the last few decades. Maybe there will not be a major
war beginning in the Middle East. It is possible we can create unlimited
and unpayable amounts of sovereign debt and fiat currency and everything
falls together in tandem until such time as debt repudiation and
a new currency is forced on the world.
Is that why you started a hair company?
No. I started a hair company because we discovered a therapy for
hair loss that appears to work in over 80 percent of those who have
tried the therapy in South America. It is a unique therapy and I
believe it will revolutionize hair restoration and make most balding
a relic of history.
that the West is likely facing an economic and political dislocation
similar to the end of the Roman Empire, the end of monarchy following
World War One and maybe something like the fall of fascism and communism
during the 20th century. This isn't the end of the world but rather
a very exciting time to live and for those aware of the true situation
of political and financial manipulation a very prosperous opportunity.
It's exciting for those in the know about the real world we live
It is in these
times of transition, whether economic like the industrial revolution,
political or financial, that massive fortunes can be made for those
who are willing to see the big picture and take advantage of the
opportunities that only a tiny minority are willing to act upon.
most people in the West will lose as they always do, following the
manipulated and directed mob off one real or manufactured cliff
or another. But if you are reading this interview in The Daily Bell
or other alternative news sites, there is nothing mob- or sheep-like
about you and these troubled times could be the singular investment
opportunity of your lifetime.
Given the option,
I would prefer to live through these exciting and perilous times
with a full head of hair and I believe millions will agree with
How's that going?
We have been setting up agreements with cosmetic surgeons and hair
transplant physicians for almost two months now and it is going
very well. Those in the hair business seem to recognize the opportunity
available to them to provide our therapy when and if we receive
FDA approval within the next few years.
Any other points you want to make?
Yes. I would prefer to end on an optimistic note. Do you realize
secession fever is now sweeping Europe because of the EU problems
and sovereign debt crisis? The establishment press is full of news
accounts about secession fever sweeping Europe and this is a positive
political development. It is time for the restoration of formerly
independent countries with their own unique cultural and ethnic
heritage that were forced at gunpoint into larger empire states.
to be independent again from Italy, Catalonia demands out of Spain,
Bavaria wants the restoration of independence from Germany. Greece,
Italy, Ireland, Spain and Portugal may have to leave the European
Union and restore their national currencies in order to grow their
economies again. Add to this Scotland cutting ties with the United
Kingdom, the current split of Belgium into Flemish and Walloon entities
and numerous independence movements growing across the West, even
in the United States and Quebec in Canada. Even the United States,
the most debt-ridden empire in world history, has multiple secession/independence
movements, including one in Vermont and in the Southern states.
This is a positive
development for Europe as nations become smaller and more localized
around historic boundaries and cultural beliefs. Smaller nations
and withdrawal from the European Union is just what Europe needs
to get its economic house back in order. This is a far more important
development than who will be president of the United States or the
latest manufactured statistics or central bank proclamation. Again,
we live in exciting and interesting times.
It is good
to speak to Ron Holland again, a man of action even in perilous
times, one who's started a hair company, created options for himself
and others in Colombia and discovered outfits like Global Gold that
offer options many may find convenient.
His point about
secession fever is certainly well taken. While the powers-that-be
have spent several centuries creating nation-states almost
always unnatural ones the 21st century is seeing these agglomerations
come under considerable attack.
Some of these
movements, of course, seem more legitimate than others. The Scottish
secession movement was in part manipulated, apparently, with the
idea that Scotland would join the euro a backwards way of
reinforcing the EU, which is experiencing stiff pushback in England.
secessionist movement is somewhat questionable as well, having a
larger "green" component, apparently, than a libertarian
one. The New Hampshire secessionist movement, on the other hand,
is almost purely libertarian even though it hasn't made as much
progress as its backers had hoped.
But all that
may change, as Ron Holland rightly hopes. The key to returning to
civil society is to reduce political bigness. The idea that certain
individuals are empowered to make decisions on behalf of hundreds
of millions or billions is essentially a loony one. And the idea
this is to be parlayed into a world government that will make decisions
on behalf of even MORE people is even loonier.
In fact, once
governments get to a certain size, the reality of input by voters
becomes questionable. Votes are used as an endorsement but voters
no longer have individual influence. Their votes provide credibility
but the actual voice is lacking.
work best when they are local and all those voting can have a say
in subsequent policies. When votes are used as an endorsement but
voters no longer have legitimate input then leadership devolves
into cronyism and purely selfish decisions are portrayed as appropriate
without the requisite pushback.
may indeed be force; but as has been observed, the best government
governs least and we would add that the most effective government
is the smallest one practical.
Ron does us
a favor by mentioning the secessionist trend throughout the world
and especially in the West. It is one of the bright spots in a picture
that has many gloomy ones. It is also a "movement" that
bears watching and is one of the most compelling developments of
what we call the Internet Reformation.
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